Anyone who knows me even a little bit knows that the title does not represent what I believe. But I had a very interesting experience last night.
As I was prayer-walking in downtown St-Jérôme around 8pm last night I walked by an open door with a lighted stairway descending into a welcoming meeting space. There was some kind of eastern-type religious literature that I didn’t recognize on display, so I decided to descend the stairs and check out what was going on.
It was a sort of open house with two Buddhist-type (though Quebecker) teachers, waiting for curious seekers to come and hear their teaching. Leaving, I began to re-climb the stairs when they called after me, wondering if I wanted to talk.
“Oh no” I thought, “Do I really want to spend time this evening splitting meta-physical hairs with Buddhist-type teachers? Well,” I thought “I could at least speak with them until Jacob arrives to meet with some other contacts.”
One was a medium-height 50-year-old man named Réal with a kind face, and greying hair and the other was a pleasant-looking 60-year-old woman named Carmen with beautiful grey hair and small glasses that gave her an intellectual aura. As they began explaining their entire belief-system with me, I shared with them that I was a disciple of Jesus-Christ, asking them what they thought of Jesus.
“He was a great teacher,” came the reply.
They continued, walking through the idea of Karma, re-incarnation, and the existence of an impersonal force we could also call “God”. We continued for a good 15-20 minutes along this vein; then it got interesting.
“That’s all very interesting” I replied, “the only problem with it is this: If what you say is true, then Jesus Christ is a liar.”
A shocked expression raced across Carmen’s face, her Catholic background appearing in full-force. “Jesus Christ is NOT a liar! Get that idea out of your head and never consider it again!” Réal, less forcefully, agreed. Then they simply asked why; why would I even say something like that?
“Because,” I replied, “Jesus taught that people would live only once, be judged, then be sent either into an eternity with God, or an eternal torment without Him.”
“I don’t remember that” Carmen replied. “I don’t think Jesus ever said that. All Jesus said was that we should love one another.”
I opened my Bible to Matthew and began showing them what Jesus had said concerning judgement and eternal torment. “So” I concluded, “Either Jesus was right, or you are right, but not both.” We also discussed other questions like “if karma and re-incarnation is true, then why did Jesus have to die?” or “how can something be truth, but only for me? Do there exist universal truths for all times and for all peoples that do not come from within myself?”
The response? Carmen responded that Jesus didn’t really say what is in the Bible, that it was written by men with an agenda. However, Réal was rather contemplative the entire time, saying that I raised some very good questions, and wanted to talk more another time.
They both invited me back, but I’m not sure if it is a wise use of my time to debate with Buddhist-type teachers. However, it is incredibly stimulating for me, and the message of Jesus becomes so much clearer and even more convincing as I am forced to defend it.
And no, Jesus is not a liar, nothing could be farther from the truth... the universal truth for all times and all peoples.